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Interview title Denise Mina talks to Val McDermid - Feb 2002
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Trick of the Dark
Fever of the Bone
A Darker Domain
Beneath the Bleeding
The Grave Tattoo
Stranded
The Torment of Others
Hostage to Murder
The Distant Echo
The Last Temptation
Killing The Shadows
A Place of Execution
Star Struck
The Writing on the Wall
The Wire In The Blood
Booked For Murder
Blue Genes
The Mermaids Singing
Clean Break
A Suitable Job For A Woman
Crackdown
Kick Back
Union Jack
Dead Beat
Final Edition
Common Murder
Report for Murder

Denise Mina talks to Val McDermid - February 2002

The man at the post office knows Val. The waiter knew her the moment we walked into the café. She's hard to miss. Short and broad with a pink complexion and a thick shock of dazzling white hair, Val looks like no one else and behaves like no one else either. She's the hardest working person I've ever but she's also famously sociable. A year ago I had cause to write to The Crime Writers Association magazine and ask if she was missing because they had published a photograph of a party and Val wasn't in it, grinning out and holding a bottle of beer. And they published the letter because it was remarkable.

She lives just around the corner from the café in this grand but bohemian suburb and comes in here often. We order bangers and mash times two. For reasons which escape me I ordered the veggie sausages which are tasteless, uni-textured and are served with pale, cloudy gravy. Val's looks much nicer.

She has a new book out, "The Last Temptation," a tense and disgusting thriller about a serial killer who targets psychologists. The book touches on the heroin trade, the Abanian Mafia, people trafficking and the future of pan-European policing. I had a nightmare the night I finished it and tell Val about it. She nods somberly, "Yes," she says, "It would be hard to tail someone on a skateboard."

I tell her she can use that in a book in the future if she likes and she smiles and says aye, maybe she will. If anyone can do it she can. She auctioned a name-check in "The Last Temptation" to raise money for a charity promoting literacy. The guy who won it was called 'Larry Gandle'. She fits it in well but it's not a name you'd chose yourself. Val says Rankin once auctioned a name check and it was won by a name so odd that he had to make the woman a prostitute offering specialist services.

I tell Val it's a bit of a swizz, me getting paid to drive down to Manchester and have lunch with her and she nods and laughs, a big throaty, rich laugh, "Aye, getting paid to have lunch with your pals. What a scam."

It's interesting though, because although we've been friends for a while I've never had the chance to ask her what makes her so driven. How does a working class girl from Kirkcaldy to get into Oxford at 16, achieve her lifetime's ambition by 22 and end up as one of Britain's best selling writers? The answer, as it turns out, was a bizarre experiment carried out by Fife County Council in the 1960s which produced not only Val McDermid, but also the chancellor, Gordon Brown, a number of other, less famous, successes and quite a lot of burn-outs.

The first time I ever met Val McDermid, she was standing in the lobby of a very posh hotel, shouting at another writer. The writer had slept in for the panel he was supposed to be chairing at a crime writing convention. The paying audience had turned up, the other writers had arrived but he had an attack of the Dylan Thomases and forgot to get up. McDermid was one of the organisers and went through him like a dose of salts. She's formidable,
"That is so unprofessional. I don't care how pissed you were the night before, you turn up for your work."

McDermid is famously hard working. By the time she was twenty four she had written her second literary novel which she now calls both unpublishable and 'bowf'. She has published twenty two books and a dozen short stories in the past twenty four years. She reviews crime fiction for The Express and does radio and television appearances as well. She caused a record number of complaints to 'The Message' on Radio Four last year when, at four thirty on a Friday afternoon, she broadcast her surprise at stumbling across a photograph on a web site of a man having a sexual encounter with an oven-ready duck.

The breadth of her knowledge is astonishing. I've never mentioned a book to her that she hasn't read. As a fellow judge on the Gold Dagger for the best first novel she consistently, year on year, called in books which the rest of us hadn't heard of. The books hadn't been submitted but she'd read them anyway and felt they should be considered. She has cut down on her reading recently,
"I'm down to two a week now," she says, letting me dab at her far superior meat gravy with a chunk of bread.

Perceptions of crime fiction have fundamentally changed in the past twenty years, largely because of the work of writers like McDermid and Rankin. The new wave of British writing came as a result of the influence of American urban noir. From the cosy, Christie-esque puzzle thrillers set in country houses British, and particularly Scottish, crime fiction has moved the genre into new disturbing areas. The early lesbian and feminist works of writers like Wilson, Paretsky and Mary Wings have made the form uniquely attractive to writers who feel themselves alienated from mainstream writing. McDermid says that straight literature,
"Became so self-reverential in the eighties and nineties that it all but disappeared up its own arse. The success of crime fiction shows that there is a place for narrative. Readers want to read it and writers want to write it."

Crime fiction has become incredibly lucrative. Patricia Cornwall has done million dollar deals for single books. Ian Rankin was reportedly very annoyed when the details of his £1.3 million publishing deal was leaked last year. Asked how she's doing, Val grins,
"Fine. Quite happy." She grins and looks away. She takes a swig of Hoegarten, "And I'm not going to say anymore about that." She and her partner have matching BMWs.
But the financial benefits come at a price. Michael Ondaatje once took seven years to write a book: four years to write it and three for the edit. It is among crime writers' constant gripes, of which there are many, that contracts pressure them into annual production. Publishers like yearly launches. It means that momentum can be built up by the marketing department, and promotion for a new paperback can be piggy-backed onto a new, attention grabbing hardback out at the same time. McDermid never complains about the pressure. She always has the plots of the next three or four books in her head.

Prolific she may be but she's certainly not rehashing books with the same plots or characters. Her three major series, the Kate Brannigans, the Hill / Jordan books and the Lindsay Gordons are each very different and the quality of the work shows in the host of awards she has won. 'Killing the Shadows' was in the top thirty sellers for 2001. 'Place of Execution' won the Los Angeles Times Book Prize, the Anthony Award, the Barry, the Dilys and the Macavity. More significantly, 'The Mermaids Singing' won the Gold Dagger for the best crime novel of the year. McDermid didn't expect to win the gold. She'd researched past winners and found that new wave books only ever got the silver. That she won is a reflection of the breakthrough of new wave fiction in Britain. More recently, McDermid was awarded the highest merit possible: she was the answer to a question on University challenge.

McDermid is very successful but once the television series of her Tony Hill and Carol Jordan novels is screened later this year she'll go stratospheric. By all accounts the series is superb, so good in fact that the transmission has been moved from the spring to the coveted Sunday night autumn schedule. Filming of 'The Wire in the Blood' began last October. 'The Mermaids Singing' and an original script called 'Justice Painted Blind' are also being made. Hermoine Norris from Cold Feet is Carol Jordan and Robson Green plays the psychologist and profiler, Tony Hill.
"I'm amazed at how good he is in the part," says McDermid. It's not just a matinee idol vehicle either because the Tony Hill character is impotent. No damp-shirted, Mr Darcy moments for the laydeez, then.
It's now traditional to have a cameo from the writer at some point in these things. Witness Colin Dexter's wooden amble through a cloister in the first ever Morse and Irvine Welsh's shiny-faced suppository salesman in Trainspotting. Val plays a journalist in episode two. She has a line- "where was he arrested" and she says her performance is profound, intense and 'far more mature and sophisticated' than Irvine's.

We try to share a lemon pudding and ice cream, each politely leaving a tiny last mouthful for the other. Then I lash out swallow mine and she eats hers. I'd like another one but resist. I'm full of strong coffee and she's on her second Belgian lager.

It's hard to begrudge McDermid her success; it wasn't just a stroke of luck or good timing that made her work so widely read. She failed at being a writer once. She was unceremoniously dropped by her agent after becoming an unsuccessful 'accidental playwright'. She was rationalised by her American publisher after 'Mermaids' didn't sell. She went out to the States and did promotion, working the Bouchercon convention and paying for it from her own pocket. She's driven to work all the time. She sends work-related emails from holiday. This manic over-achievement can be squarely laid at the door of the evil monster whose name, whisper it in dark corners, is Fife County Council.

In the mid-sixties Fife conducted a small educational experiment. Val McDermid and Gordon Brown were both subjects of the 1E process. Each year one or two children who had shown particular promise were moved up a year and kept in a special class of their own in Kirkcaldy High School. The children knew they were different and that the expectations of them were very high. McDermid says the 1E'ers were famous for their participation in extracurricular activities. They were desperately scrabbling around, trying to fit into some social group and it left her with an abiding sense of being an outsider. The hot housing gave her a life long habit of hard work and an expectation of success - not something the state system is universally famous for.

She was accepted into Oxford at the age of sixteen. Her interview was the third time she had been to England. No one understood why she'd want to leave Fife. Her school were so disappointed that she'd turn up the chance to go to Edinburgh or even the hallowed St Andrews that they refused to invigilate her Oxbridge exam. "I knew there had to be more to life than Fife." She says, still somehow slightly defensive at the idea. "But eighty percent of the teachers at the school were from Fife and didn't understand why anyone'd want to leave."

Having decided she wanted to go to university in England she applied to Oxford because she'd heard it was a good one. She was, she says, far too naive to know that she had no right to go there. The interview was an eye opener. "They were awfie posh," she says reverentially. "They said they'd never taken anyone from a State school before and I told them that it was about time they did, then." They offered her a deferred place but she turned them down, "I told the woman that I didn't want to waste a whole year." They let her in and she went up at seventeen. After university she did her journalism trainee-ship on the Plymouth and South Devon Times. Continuing the legacy of Fife C.C., she won the National Trainee Journalist of the year. The prize was the chance to interview Prince Charles. She wore a kilt, God bless her. She was only twenty two,
"I thought he was an upper class wanker, but an intelligent one." One year later he remembered her at a line up in Dumbarton station when she was hanging over the barrier with the other hacks, shouting questions at him. He came over and asked her how she was getting on in her career. Did it make her like him? She swithers,
"No," She says finally, "But I thought it was a good trick." At twenty two she got a job on the Record and came home. It was her lifetime's ambition to work on the Record. It was the working class campaigning paper at the time, everyone she knew from home read it. A few years later she went to work on the Sunday People in Manchester, attracted by its reputation for investigative journalism and wrote her first book on her Monday afternoons off. 'Report for Murder' was the first of the series featuring lesbian detective Lindsay Gordon and continues to be the least financially successful of her series. Inspired by Sarah Paretsky's first V.I. Warshawski novel, it was published, she says "to a resounding silence."

Lesbian and well-settled in a long-term relationship, McDermid dislikes labels. It's not that she's ashamed of being female or lesbian or Scottish but says she's more than just those things, and people are always looking for excuses to pigeon hole and limit her. Still, it's hard to imagine her being as confident and unashamedly confrontational if she were heterosexual. Or, indeed, liking Blondie quite as much.

The legacy of 1E has meant that she always felt like an outsider. She has a theory about being a goalie. We were both goalies in our school hockey teams and both had try-outs for the Scotland-under-sixteens. McDermid points out that Camus was a goalie for the Algerian National football team. It's a good metaphor for writers, she says, it's the habit of watching other people from the edge, feeling outside of the action. We wrestle with it, trying to extrapolate the connection but it doesn't work so we give it up and look around for something else to eat or drink. I order a tea to wash the caffeine away.

The political content is implicit in her books. It's telling that the corpses in her books are not the easily cast aside prostitutes or sexually duplicitous wives of other, more thoughtless, crime writers. As often as not they are professionals. Accused by Joan Smith of killing a disproportionate number of women in her books she did a body count and found she was an equal opportunities killer: twelve men, twelve women and a transsexual.
Her success has given her, she says, 'tremendous artistic freedom'. Much to her publisher's dismay, her next book is another Lindsay Gordon and isn't expected to make the bestseller list. In a neat tie in a Hollywood hack would be proud of, it's also V.I.Warshawski's twentieth birthday this year. Paretsky is organising a birthday party for her. Val has been invited to it and she's absolutely thrilled. Go'an yursel', hen.

This interview first appeared in the Sunday Herald
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